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Fazal, I finally got the zenithecig stuff in.

Took about a week to get the stuff, not the most responsive service, but nothing to complain about specifically.

Good packaging, although not childproof. Clear labeling of nic concentration, pg/VG ratio and flavour if any. Excellent bottles with the screw-in-to-pierce style caps.

On to the liquid, I got 10ml each of raw pg, raw VG, 50/50 mix with 48mg nic and one 5ml of 50/50 B&H 24mg nic. The VG does look a little bit watery compared to Ron's stuff, but vapes perfectly fine. The PG is also fine, identical to the 100ml I got from Ron.

I haven't yet tried the 48mg nic sample, I smelled it and got scared. It really is quite strong, and I think that is proof that it's definitely got the concentration. The B&H tastes like ass, should have just got a menthol sample. However the nic smell in this liquid is also quite dominant.

So to sum up, I think zenithecig is fine as long as you're not sourcing raw VG or flavours from them. Should serve as a fine 50/50 nic base for DIY.

Disclaimer: All liquids tested on a shitty debridged 510 atomizer since that's the only thing I own that I can drip on. I have also been vaping for only a month, so there is a high probability that I don't know what the *bleep* I'm talking about.

Double disclaimer: once Ron launches Babavapes, we should be able to get a DIY starter kit from there, so don't go buying a litre of this stuff just yet.

Thanks Man to getting back to us.

so you think the nic might be useful? be careful handling the stuff since it 48 mg. i would prefer some thing like 18mg or 12 mg.

im seriously considering getting 500ml 12mg or 18mg from e cig china website, really good reviews on FT forums. i have confirmed with several members and they said its of decent quality.

cost : 40$ inc shipping using Fedex or DHL for 500 ml 18 mg ( 50% VG+ 50%PG). they have paypal option as well which is good.

just doing more research before ordering.

PS: im very close to getting good source for concentrated flavors from UK - like rs900 for 30ml. inc shipping. i will keep every updated .

That sounds like a great deal, about 5 times cheaper than zenith and twice as cheap even with customs included. Let us know how it works out. I'm in Mumbai, so ordering juice from abroad is a known waste for me. For me I think this is definitely worth it.

As for flavours, I haven't tried enough to even know what I like, other than menthol. I really like menthol. Best thing is that I can get menthol crystals locally and just mix it in the base solution. So I think even in the doomsday scenario I'm set.

Also being very careful with the 48mg. Not vaping it without mixing. Will have to wait for another night.

Yes 40$ + customs im sure i would have to pay not bad at all to be honest. i do not like uncertainty.

correction about concentrated flavors , its rs 300 for 30ml including shipping.

please do a comprehensive reviewof the zenith nic, if its any good we can do a bulk order and negotiate a good price. i think we can manage flavors easily not a big issues, they are dam cheap for good quality.

i will wait for you to give your final thoughts before pulling the trigger on china based nic , if we can get good bargain here i might jump in.

do let us know buddy.

thanks

Honestly I think somebody with a lot more experience with DIY should review the nic quality. Either Andy or Ron. I could ship out my bottle to either of them if necessary.

I haven't sold any PG to anybody. One guys got 100 Ml VG. Somebody reading this stuff may actually take it seriously so be carefull.

The Nic should have no smell. At least not at 48 MG. Pure nic has a very strong smell.
But by the time you get it down to 100 MG the smell should go. At 48 MG for sure there should be a very mild smell.
If it still has smell at 48 Mg its either bad nic. Or the guy does not know how to blend it.

The only stuff that smells is the locally made stuff be careful with that.
I would suggest that you Andy to give it the once over because anything I say will be biased.

If all the guys in India are selling Nic. Then at some point I guess BV will have to also.
I see no point in people importing stuff which is starting out from India.
The problem with nic is its expiry date issue and then the issue off bad batches. Which get dumped on unsuspecting people.

I thought I knew something about this stuff. But everyday I learn how little I know.

Ron I'm Karthik and I'm pretty sure I got a bottle of 100ml PG from you - the bottle even says PG. Nonetheless, as you say the best way is to send it to Andy and get his opinion. Andy could you PM me your address? I'll courier this stuff to you and you can check if it's legit.

hi Ron,


>If all the guys in India are selling Nic. Then at some point I guess BV will have to also.

yes you should too as soon as possible.

>I see no point in people importing stuff which is starting out from India.
>The problem with nic is its expiry date issue and then the issue off bad batches. Which get dumped on unsuspecting people.

currently there is no one selling Indian NIC that i know of, did i miss something?

Zenith is an Indian company right.

I have a list of UK and USA vendors who have imported Nic from India.
So just because it comes from the UK or USA does not mean its not Indian.

Im sorry but I will not vape something that smells funny. Also if I actually tested it and it turned out shit who would believe me.
Let a neutral party test it.

All Im saying is that at 48 MG dilution there should be zero smell.
One of the Bangalore Boys are welcome to come over and smell my Nic Base raw if they like I have it from over 4 vendors. None smell. At 48 Mg.

OK, I think I figured out the reason for the smell. Ron sent me 2ml of the Marlboro Prem juice along with my order. I just opened it today, and it smells quite similar to the smell that I'm getting from both the 48mg nic base and the B&H flavour. Quite hard to describe the exact smell, a bit like cardboard. Marlboro Prem has a separate perfumey smell that is not there in the zenith stuff. Does this make sense Ron? Maybe their nic base has tobacco alkaloids?

@Python, can it be true? if it is then its indeed good news.

have you tried to vape on it yet.

The M type is not really Marlboro. The M stands for the Molecule.
Its an additive some cig companies add to their tobacco.
Its super strong. And perfumey. Its normally used just like a perfume to hide a bad smell.
Which is why very few people use it direct.
I think its best used as an addition to any tobacco flavor as a secondary note.
Its a Flavor sold by TFA in the USA. Not many people like it because its so perfumy and smells so strong. Even at 3% it can over power. What I sent you was 2-3% of M Type.

Some people may use it with their nic to hide the original smell of nic. Or to high a bad smelling nic. But then anything you add that nic base to will get the flavor. You want your nic base to have no flavor. Other than a slight peppery feel on the exhale.

Like I said I dont want to get involved in this because my opinion would be biased.
Let somebody else like Moshi / Andy / some guy I dont know test it.

If you want me to test the strength. You can send me 2 ML and I can do a strength test.

Since you have purchased the base it means you plan to do DIY. Go ahead and give it a shot. See if it skews the flavor by adding this base. You for sure do not want M type flavor with anything but tobacco. i.e. its not a flavor you would add with anything other than tobacco.

I will make a DIY test kit for testing strength. Same as what they sell on ebay US

I did test it, 0.4ml of the base mixed with 0.6ml raw PG for about 19-20mg concentration. I really don't get a nicotine kick anymore these days, so it's quite hard for me to tell whether the concentration is right. My throat is also a little bit raw from vaping a few different juices. I wouldn't trust anything other than an actual test, perception is unreliable. Ron let us know when the kit is available. Also really enjoying the honeydew that you sent. The RY4 is very harsh, guess I need to let it sit for some more time.

With time the flavor will only get milder. If your finding it harsh try diluting it in your tank / carto with a few drops of VG.

Actually its quite easy to tell by smoking. If its too strong you will get a headache. I normally smoke 10 MG max. If I try 18 MG I will feel sick in 5 minutes.

If the nic quality is very high. You will not get a headache. But you will notice things like your vision gets sharp. And it feels like you have had 20 cups of coffee back to back.
I think a vendor should tell you at least their nic source.

I finally understood what is happening.
You are not mixing the juice before use.

As a result you will get strong nic first then flavor. This happens with juice in the tank.
It will happen to anybody who uses a lot of VG with their mix. Nicotine does not blend with VG. This is why they use PG.

The fix is easy. Warm the juice for 5 seconds in the microwave and shake and then pour into your tank.
Before you pick up your tank to smoke turn it upside down. To mix whats in the tank. Once you start smoking the heat form the coil warms up the juice and it blends.

Happened to me today when I picked up my tank. Got a strong hit.
Shook it and the hit went away.

People really need to shake their shit.

Every single tank of nic base I have purchased from the USA comes with a Loud Warning Shake well before use. The reason is simple. Nic floats to the top. This problem is more on top coil systems. On bottom feed system it will only get harsh when the level is low. With top coil it will be harsh when first filled.

Shake the bottle before use. People. Unless your smoking PG then it dissolves just fine.
I was foxed cause RY4 is one of the smoothest flavors I have every tasted. In fact my ADV right now is 50% honey do with 50% RY4 strong.

Another thing is we do not mix nic with the juice. All juices are zero nic. When you order at that time only nic is added.
The nic is stored in a base off 70% VG and 30% PG at 250MG / ML. We did try 100% VG but nic would just not mix. What ever you do. Before mixing the nic. It is warmed up. Shaken and then added.
Shake Shake Shake. If the juice is warm it mixes better. Never heat you e-juice more than 60C. It will cause problems.

"Shake n Bake.." - ricky bobby
Talladega Nights the ballad of ricky bobby. Immortal words.

Shake and bake will not solve smelly nic problem.
OP as long as the smell of the nic base is not effecting your flavors. Or the smell of your flavors you should just use it.
You dont know what impurities are causing the smell or it could be the normal smell of nicotine.
Nic does have a smell and does effect the taste also a little bit.
Its hard for me to describe because it so light.
Make sure your not smelling the container that too can have a smell.

I have found that if the nic is not good your body will let you know when you start smoking it in strong doses. i.e. over 24 MG.
Have a theory I want to test with the china stuff. Enough guys in the club say it makes them feel sick and saws the throat.
Id like to test zero nic from china. Then if that also makes us feel sick and saws the throat then we know its the pg and not the nic.