The signs are that they will ban e-cig.
What does this mean for the average user and for the millions of people trying to quit smoking.
How do we prepare.
Its obvious that this complete e-cig ban is being done by people who dont have a clue what they are doing.
For them its just a PR exercise to show people they are doing something. And not sitting with their thumbs up their backsides.
They cant do jack shit to the Tobacco lobby its just way to strong. If they really wanted to do something they should ban cigrates. But thats not going to happen. They want people to smoke. They need the taxes and they need the tobacco lobby. Its the single largest contributor to election funds after alcohol.
This means that we have a method that has proved that it can help people stop smoking.
Screw the studies. Trust the numbers.
Methods to quit smoking and their success rates.
1. Cold Turkey.
Failure or relapse rate 80%.
2. Use of medication and medical help to quit ie patches, chewing gum, other medication failure rate over 60%.
3. E-Cig.
Failure rate is under 10%. That means that it works 90% of the time. In helping people stop.
It saves their health.
It saves their medical bills.
They are more fit and more productive.
But lets ban the only known best working method.
I used to think that the people taking decisions for us. Had a clue. But the sad truth is that they dont.
So going forward.
9 out 10 guys who try to stop smoking will fail. Because e-cig will not be an option for them.
Those who are existing users will not be able to buy e-juice in India. Or mods. All the shops selling juice will shut down.
I know we will. Price for Juice will go thru the roof.
Access to mods and batteries and tanks will get harder and harder. Prices will go up.
I see e-juice being sold in the black for like 1K for 10 ML.
I see the quality of Nicotine and e-juice going down into the toilet.
How to prepares.
1. Make sure you have at least two mechanical mods. That work on the 18650 Bats. As long as there are laptops there will be 18650 bats.
2. Try and buy a kick for your mech mod. So that you can protect your bats. Get the Sigeli 15 watt kick.
3. Make sure you have at least one dripper tank. And one rebuildable tank. I would recommend one dripper and one Kayfun.
Or even two Kayfuns. These can be rebuilt. With cotton. You dont need anything else.
4. Line up a supply for your e-juice. Or learn to make your own.
Things they cannot ban or control or stop.
1. Kanthal or Nicrome wire. For making your coils. This is used by many industries and made in India.
2. Cotton wool.
3. Vegetable Glycerin or Propylene Glycol. And food flavoring. Cake vendors and food vendors will stock and sell this stuff. Quality will not be good but you cant stop it.
4. Batteries. As long as there are flash lights and laptops we dont have to worry about batteries. They cant ban the sale of batteries. If they ban one type people will just switch to another type.
5. Nicotine.
As long as they don't ban tobacco. They cant ban nicotine. As long as you can go out and buy a pack of cigarettes. Or cigars or pipe tobacco. Or even chewing tobacco. You can extract the nicotine and Alkaloids your self.
The quality just wont be as good as a Lab. But you can still get it.
So in summary this is one Genie that the Govt and social do gooders cant put back into the bottle.
Any smoker has to try it only once and they know its the way to stop smoking.
Even if Nicotine is totally removed. People are still going to vape zero nicotine just because it tastes and feels so good.
If your reading this now is the time to stock up. Before the new rules are put in place. At least make sure you have the basics to carry you for a year.
I suspect that even if they implement the ban. Companies like ITC will get them to over turn it. This could just be an effort to clean up the market for ITC to make an entry. Whats new. This is how Indians work. Ban the import of bikes and cars. So that local companies can sell us their crap and we dont have any other option.
Preparing for the Ban.
Re: Preparing for the Ban.
Sad for you Ron... I listened to what the health minister said about the E-Cigg on the news. What I understood is that the minister wants to make sure that the young and impressionable minds who are yet to start smoking need not even know that there is something like "better smoking" or e-smoking... From that i understand the Govt. has zero sympathies with us Cigarette smokers... Cigarette smokers are sinners and need to be treated with hardly any relief or soft measures is what the Govt seems to be thinking.
Me too battling this Cigarette devil from a while, in just this year i have stopped smoking ciggarettes atleast 3 times... the first time was for 6 weeks, the next 2 times i have been back into the habit in a week's time.... let's see this time around i have crossed the 1 week barrier... let's see if i can cross 8 weeks...
Having seen so many struggle with this habit like i have for so many years, My 2 cents... only when i think that life in the absence of Cigarettes is worth living, can I give it up... otherwise I will fine some excuse to get myself back to the habit :-)
Cheers
Me too battling this Cigarette devil from a while, in just this year i have stopped smoking ciggarettes atleast 3 times... the first time was for 6 weeks, the next 2 times i have been back into the habit in a week's time.... let's see this time around i have crossed the 1 week barrier... let's see if i can cross 8 weeks...
Having seen so many struggle with this habit like i have for so many years, My 2 cents... only when i think that life in the absence of Cigarettes is worth living, can I give it up... otherwise I will fine some excuse to get myself back to the habit :-)
Cheers
Re: Preparing for the Ban.
There couple of factors at play here and just like a perfect storm, when combined with mass ignorance and moral self-righteousness, the end result is exploitation by ambitious politicians and news-makers.
1. The perception of e-cigs by the masses
2. The perception of e-cigs by doctors
3. The econo-legal status of ecigs
4. Legislative intervention vs. free-choice in usage of stimulants
1. Take a look at the comments posted below the health minister's Facebook post announcing the "proposed" e-cig ban. You will struggle to find a single coherent comment challenging his stand on e-cigs. In fact, neither will you find many incoherent comments supporting e-cigs. The masses have a moralistic stance and in their self-righteous point of view: tobacco is a bad/cancerous/youth-killing/family-breaking substance. Its no surprise that there are just as large a number of comments under his post that further seek a ban on alcohol as well. The collective intelligence of the masses nourished on anecdotes and tabloid journalism, cannot be bothered with objective, factual research on vaping.
2. The level of awareness and innovation of your average doctor in India is shocking to say the least. There are enough doctors on this forum to comment on this. Take a look around, when was the last time we had a blue-sky, original medical research white paper published from this country in leading international medical journals? The average Indian Oncologist working with cancer patients has shockingly outdated data, where one among the many tightly-held beliefs long since proven false is that nicotine=cancer. When in truth, the full known fact is that tobacco chewed/smoked = cancer and not nicotine by itself. But then again, I am yet to meet a doctor humble enough to dwell upon the word of a lay man and do some basic fact checking. Not after having spent a pot-load of money and many years to earn that doctoral certificate. He has a certificate so he has to be right.
3. If the good minister had tried to ban cigarettes and tobacco on the whole, he would have been run-over by a combination of the tobacco lobby and his own ministers and bureaucrats. One of his predecessors tried and the best he could manage was that silly censoring of the act of smoking on TV and in the movies and few additional stickers here and there. The political and economic penalty for any government going after the tobacco lobby has been massive enough to quickly correct any moralistic law-making. In this economy, no government is suicidal enough to contemplate a policy that will lead to massive loss of taxation and revenue. The e-cigarette crowd on the other hand has no money or no influence of any consequence to the law-makers but have the public image of being youth-targeting drug pushers. The highly educated minister, is also a cunning politician, he would have to be beyond stupid not to use this opportunity to please the masses by seeming to be fighting valiantly against the "scourge of tobacco" but in reality not doing much and worse yet, banning what is yet the safest delivery device yet for those who want to imbibe nicotine for its stimulating effects.
4. Any smoker but of-course has met the self-righteous citizen, who will berate him/her as a drug-addict and brush-aside all claims of stimulation by nicotine as an addiction-induced talk by a habitual user. Never mind the facts and research, they know what is right and they especially know what is right for you. There is yet a lot more research to be done into nicotine and its effects on the psychology and physiology of humans but in the interim, the cry of the self-righteous is for a ban on something that has not yet even proven to be harmful. And why? Because its turning our young ones into vapour-swilling misfits and degenerates. Never mind that its not actually happened. But they cry, "Are we going to wait around till it does?". Never mind the fact that the devices are explicitly not sold to minors. Never mind the fact that raising the young ones is the responsibility of their parents and not the government. The masses expect legislation to control everything from what we imbibe to what we see on screens to how we behave to what we think. The freedom of choice and all the responsibilities and hard work that come with it easily exchanged for the ease and security of being told what is right by someone else.
In today's jingoistic, self-righteous atmosphere, the health minister would be out of his mind not to exploit the herd to boost his own agenda. The realpolitik truth is if e-cigarettes are to survive then it will need some powerful economic and political patrons.
1. The perception of e-cigs by the masses
2. The perception of e-cigs by doctors
3. The econo-legal status of ecigs
4. Legislative intervention vs. free-choice in usage of stimulants
1. Take a look at the comments posted below the health minister's Facebook post announcing the "proposed" e-cig ban. You will struggle to find a single coherent comment challenging his stand on e-cigs. In fact, neither will you find many incoherent comments supporting e-cigs. The masses have a moralistic stance and in their self-righteous point of view: tobacco is a bad/cancerous/youth-killing/family-breaking substance. Its no surprise that there are just as large a number of comments under his post that further seek a ban on alcohol as well. The collective intelligence of the masses nourished on anecdotes and tabloid journalism, cannot be bothered with objective, factual research on vaping.
2. The level of awareness and innovation of your average doctor in India is shocking to say the least. There are enough doctors on this forum to comment on this. Take a look around, when was the last time we had a blue-sky, original medical research white paper published from this country in leading international medical journals? The average Indian Oncologist working with cancer patients has shockingly outdated data, where one among the many tightly-held beliefs long since proven false is that nicotine=cancer. When in truth, the full known fact is that tobacco chewed/smoked = cancer and not nicotine by itself. But then again, I am yet to meet a doctor humble enough to dwell upon the word of a lay man and do some basic fact checking. Not after having spent a pot-load of money and many years to earn that doctoral certificate. He has a certificate so he has to be right.
3. If the good minister had tried to ban cigarettes and tobacco on the whole, he would have been run-over by a combination of the tobacco lobby and his own ministers and bureaucrats. One of his predecessors tried and the best he could manage was that silly censoring of the act of smoking on TV and in the movies and few additional stickers here and there. The political and economic penalty for any government going after the tobacco lobby has been massive enough to quickly correct any moralistic law-making. In this economy, no government is suicidal enough to contemplate a policy that will lead to massive loss of taxation and revenue. The e-cigarette crowd on the other hand has no money or no influence of any consequence to the law-makers but have the public image of being youth-targeting drug pushers. The highly educated minister, is also a cunning politician, he would have to be beyond stupid not to use this opportunity to please the masses by seeming to be fighting valiantly against the "scourge of tobacco" but in reality not doing much and worse yet, banning what is yet the safest delivery device yet for those who want to imbibe nicotine for its stimulating effects.
4. Any smoker but of-course has met the self-righteous citizen, who will berate him/her as a drug-addict and brush-aside all claims of stimulation by nicotine as an addiction-induced talk by a habitual user. Never mind the facts and research, they know what is right and they especially know what is right for you. There is yet a lot more research to be done into nicotine and its effects on the psychology and physiology of humans but in the interim, the cry of the self-righteous is for a ban on something that has not yet even proven to be harmful. And why? Because its turning our young ones into vapour-swilling misfits and degenerates. Never mind that its not actually happened. But they cry, "Are we going to wait around till it does?". Never mind the fact that the devices are explicitly not sold to minors. Never mind the fact that raising the young ones is the responsibility of their parents and not the government. The masses expect legislation to control everything from what we imbibe to what we see on screens to how we behave to what we think. The freedom of choice and all the responsibilities and hard work that come with it easily exchanged for the ease and security of being told what is right by someone else.
In today's jingoistic, self-righteous atmosphere, the health minister would be out of his mind not to exploit the herd to boost his own agenda. The realpolitik truth is if e-cigarettes are to survive then it will need some powerful economic and political patrons.