Flavor Reviews & Recommendations.

[chinoy]

I haven't even tried an analogue.
It was all part of my internal mind games.
i.e. Mind says go on try one. Then I say no if you dont touch one. you can buy a VTR.
The urge is pretty much gone now. Was only a struggle for the first month or two.
Now I have my VTR for a box shape. And I have my Segeli for Penis shape.
I dont think its cool to hold a cylinder with a nipple at the end up to your mouth. But Ive gotten over that phobia now.

So was thinking of selling off the VTR but decided against it as either one could fail at any time and Id be stuck.

I do not think that we are tapering off on the Nicotine. We are just increasing the effectiveness of the delivery system i.e. on Cart I was say 36 MG. On Clearo I was 24. On RBA I am at 18 Mg. But look at the total qty consumed and you will find an increase. If you can get off it or taper it to zero then hats off to you.

I personally love my nic. And feel the only reason we can stop smoking is thanks to the nic.

I also have a theory on Flavor vs Nic strength and it is that if the nic is good quality and strong you will land up liking that flavor.

Getting back to the topic.
Im working on Tobacco Flavors right now.
My mistake was not mixing PG so I over shoot on the flavor.
Dark Honey Tob was the only flavor I mixed with PG and it was ready to smoke in 24 hours.
Now as each bottle level drops I am topping up with PG. As it gets more diluted the flavors start to come out more.
Since its already steeped 3 weeks.
There are 2 keys to enjoying flavor.
1. A clean wick
2. The right coil and wick. You have to use thin wire. The stuff we got from e-sutta is pointless unless your building a RBA and even for that its the wrong gauge.

[mohsihummer]

@ron.. just smoked some camel... Its good. Better than ry4 i have.. Think youll like it.
Ill guarantee you that you wont like analogues..
Esutta wire is all i have.. gotta make do till i can buy something better

[chinoy]

I got the perfect wire. Will give you some on the weekend. You wasting time with that esuta gague. It will just eat bat and never heat up the coil enoughf to smoke well. Esp with cheap low powered Ego Bats.

I have imported in bulk. The Camel Flavor Concentrate from Hangsen. We can make up as much camel as you want.
We are getting 1 Ltr Flavor Concentrate of the following flavors.
a. Desert Ship / Camel
b. Indian Tobacco
c. RY4

In addition to this I have super concentrate american flavors. So we can mix and match. Notes. Plus I have my various NETs that Im making from Locally Sold Tobacco and Imported Cigars.

[mohsihummer]

tried ron's black tobacco+honey (iirc) at the vape meet.
Like ive said before, not a tobacco fan.
Yet, This thing was so good, It is pretty much the best juice i ever tasted. There's no bad taste of raw tobacco.. Just the good part of tobacco and the sweetness of honey.. Youll have to experience it to understand it. Its just beautiful. Itd be my all day vape as soon as ron starts selling it..
Baba's eliquid... Its just magical.

[chinoy]

How did you like my Water Mellon ?.

Hey Im open to criticism if it will help. Improve the flavor.

I have a suggestion if you like Goo Fook Honey doo. LOL. Named after what I smoked for 30 years. Gold Flake Honey Dew.
Buy some Tobacco Flavor separate. Then keep mixing your self. And watch the honey and tobacco play hide and seek with each other. After you get bored of that. Buy some Flue Cured Tobacco. And some fire cured. And mix that in.
Basically you mix different flavors and kinds of Tobacco with it. i.e. Indian Tobacco Flavor also works well.

This is my all day vape. Right now. I mix it up. by adding the following tob flavors.
a. Malbo 1
b. Marlbo Premium.
c. Indian Tob
d. Tobacco type C.


The best so far has been Indian Tob with Honey Doo.

Only Dabar all Natural Honey is used when making Honey Flavor.

The screw up with this flavor is the curing. It takes 4 weeks. And the curing process is a circus. You need to heat it to 70c-90c every single day for 1 hour. In the Microwave. Then in a pan. With boiling water. And then in the ultrasonic machine.
I did two batches. One which I just left to steep in a cool dark place. And the other thru my method above.
The one i left to just steep is not ready every after 5 weeks. And the taste is not as rich.

Anyway I feel bad hogging such good shit myself. You can buy a little Msg me on FB. This is like cooking when it comes out really really tasty you cant enjoy it eating alone.

Your also free to dilute it down if you want. Buy some PG / VG separate. Its very pure and very cheap.
My problem is still bottles.

Two guys tasted the watermellon. Both should review. What they liked and what they didn't like. If they want to see any more of baba's juice lol.

Anything I make is going to blow your socks off cause we are not doing some large scale commercial operation. No commercial operation would do half the stuff I do. And the only reason I do it. Cause I want the good shit. (Well to be honest Ive got the women in the house handling the process as I dont have the time).

I think its best to buy your juice from small start ups. Cause thats when it will be best. Once they grow and the scale gets too big. The magic tends to vanish. The other thing your liking is the very low PG levels. I have heard some of the china juices are 100% PG. And most are 50-50 PG/VG where as I rarely go over 10-15%. Im not going to give our a number. But its low.

This is a very low gunking liquid. Id say it was one of the lowest we make. And lower than hangsen / dekang stuff.
This was so good that I used it to pop the cherry on my iclear30s. Which I had saved up for a special flavor. The iclear could also be why you where so impressed by the flavor.

[simz]

Straight up, the watermelon juice Ron mixed together is amazing. Plus, I vaped it on his segelei and vtr which no doubt made the experience way more mind-blowing (coming from an evod)

Take everything you know about dekang, hangsen and other locally available juices and fire it up at 11 watts. This juice is sweet, yet subtle and really wet- which I feel really helps you appreciate the flavour fully. Nice big clouds too. Tastes and smells like boomer jelly, the watermelon flavour. This juice converted two smokers when I had a tank full of it. No throat hit cause like Ron said low PG, good thing for a fruity flavour like this. I all-day vaped till I gave the rest away to Mohsi so he could enjoy it.
(edit- feedback for Ron: maybe a little more PG in this one, the more throat hit I get the less I vape and I want to make this juice last!)

Black Honey
Again, the trademark thick, wet clouds of flavour. Great, rich tobacco taste on the intake and a sweetish tinge on the way out. Again an all-day vape easily. Specially if you lean towards tobacco flavours.

Now onto what's available online.
RY4 (loaner from Mohsi)
Hangsen (black/white label bottle)
Nic strength: 18mg
Flavour: 2.5

Nothing wrong with this one. Nothing that stands out either. Can't fully taste the supposed tobacco flavour, nor the vanilla. Just slightly. Throat hit harsher than george r.r martin's character kill-offs. Maybe a good flavour to load up if you want something to tide you through a drinking session or something.

Camel (loaner from Mohsi)
Hangsen (black/white label bottle)
Nic strength: 18mg
Flavour: 1.5

I don't know if it's just me but I can't taste anything of this. Ron's watermelon was in the tank before this and I kept getting tastes of it. Again lots of throat hit, not much beyond that.

Wrap it up with the new kid on the block. Josh Products.
Nimzy energy
Nic strength- 12mg
Flavour-4
Cost-250/10ml

I like it. Tastes like monster energy. The site says it's red bull. Low PG so throat hit is very mild. At 3.8v everyone I've given this to likes it. Just little low on the nic for me right now- I'm used to 18mg. If anyone else has tried his other flavours let me know. I like the lower pg for sure.

[chinoy]

Yes your right when I mixed the water mellon I didnt have any PG. So other than the little carried in the Flavor there was close to zero PG in it. Its mostly pure VG. Same goes for the Honey do. Very little PG.
Ill add more PG next time. Take it up to 10-20% that Im using now in this batch.

Im not a big fan of PG man. Try spilling some on a painted surface. It will strip the paint off. Try putting a drop on your skin it will burn it. The more I work with PG the less I like it. I worry about guys smoking 100% PG and 50% PG. One reason why I will never buy retail. Wont be long before you see all the guys in India jump and start copying this.

Now wonder it hits your throat.

Founding members of the club can try some of the following I have ready.
150 without nic. 250 with nic.
a. Honey Do (Tobacco flavor)
b. Malbro (Tob flavor)
c. Commercial Tobacco (Cant be smoke alone used to add Tob flavor to an existing flavor).
d. RY4
e. RY4 Double Strength.

Flavors which will be ready in a few weeks.
a. Indian Tobacco. (Hangsen Flavor. But with RDD power at least 3 times more flavor than what they sell retail)
b. Camel (Hangsen Flavor extra strong)
c. RY1 (Hangsen Flavor Extra strong).

If you have a genny or a RBA or a Dripper.
You can try some of my NET. These are very heavy on the coils. Forget about using it in a regular tank. But also the ultimate in taste and satisfaction.
If you get that something is missing when you quit smoking. This is the ticket. Its juice made form Tobacco Leaves. In the USA they call it by different names. NET / WTA / ATA.

I like the flavor to the point where you feel like your biting into something in your mouth. Not so faint that you have to think hummm what flavor is this.

People reading these reviews. I dont want you to get your hopes up. These guys could just be giving me good reviews just to be polite. Im glad they love it. But its not something super dooper. If you expect something super dooper you may be disappointed. Id say its better than what you can buy in India right now.And leave it at that. Its healthier for sure.

Simz I take it your supposed to be dropping off some Camel and RY4 for me. And some wire. Or is moshi sending it to me direct.

[simz]

Ron, will call you tomorrow. Swing by and drop off the camel and RY4. I'm still waiting on wire from slowtech, got replacement heads for your protanks that I can offer for a little more watermelon. Man that stuff is good.

[chinoy]

Sure man Ill spare a tank full. Bring an empty tank.

[mohsihummer]

Just saw the thread
Loved the baba vapes watermelon i got from simz. Im fighting the urge to use it all in one go. have 2ml of it left i think. man the vapor is so wet on exhale.. i like it. Not a fan of pg either. Fucks the throat up. Though if its all vg, 15-20%pg, wont harm.
The kanthal, whatever little i had left, is along with the leaves in a seperate cover. Sorry about that.

For all the pg fans. It dehydrates your body BADLY. I dont normally consume enough water. so add pg and it make the situation really bad.. You have to drink loads of water to make up for it.
This is with 70% pg. `15-20% isnt a problem since the remaining vg is just watervapor and they prety much counteract each other.
Also, Pg is a known irritant and many people have had problems with it. Some even have almost allergic reactions to it. Majority of vapors have no problem with pg though. The pg problem is the reason many u.s shops sell upto 100%vg if so desired

[chinoy]

The biggest secret in the e-juice world is going to be the kind of VG used in a juice.
The old saying you get what you pay for holds true.

I struggled and struggled with my flavors for a long time while I kept trying various sources for PG.
Then I found the right PG and everything fell into place.
I am 100% sure that nobody is using this grade of PG. Purely based on the pricing. I have seen all the prices for PG in the USA and china and I have seen what I am paying. This is the key.
This PG is the highest grade money can buy. Again costing is not an issue for me. Let people taste it. Then they will be willing to pay anything for it. So for the first year at least I plan to keep my rates down.
I would like to tell you the secret of the PG but cant cause then it will just get copied. As of now only RDD is using this kind of PG.

[chinoy]

I got the Camel and the RY4 moshi. Also tried the Josh Products energy drink.
Flavor was stronger than Dekang but a bit on the chemical side and I didnt like the Jasmine taste. A bit like somebody had added a perfume of Jasmine. But Siz says he cant taste the Jasmine.

The Camel was no where as good as the Camel hangsen we got from e-cig India. i.e. Dekang < Hangsen but we knew that. Also local > Fast Tech we knew that also.
Havent tried the RY4.

Even the camel I found it a bit harsh on my throat. I guess Ive been spoiled by my low PG mixes.
So I mixed it up with my something missing juice. And it became awesome.

[mohsihummer]

Sweet.. Atleast the juice didnt go to waste.
yeah man.. pg sucks.. The more i try vg biased juices, more i like em.
Btw, the bottles i dropped at your house- 2 of em have small syringe holes. so look out for them. It was my attempt to recover every last drop from these. Simz lost some of your watermelon juice all thanks to one such hole

Edit: A friend of mine tried some of your juices. He's new to vaping. 3-4 days old. His reaction- Its so much easier to tell what the flavor of juice is with your liquids.

[chinoy]

Hey man Im loving the camel mixed with my SM (Something missing juice).
Ill do as much water mellon as you want.

My own camel flavor should be landing up from the US in a few days. Then Ill show you what real camel flavor tastes like.
Im going to keep some of yours just so that you can compare them.

The only sad thing is Im realizing I cant do this on a large scale. Who cares Id rather make less and share with a few friends than bother about taking over the market.

My steeping steps are just too complicated and long to do on a large scale. Im going to do it any way for my self. May as well make a little bit more for friends and select guys.

I want my stuff to be like a fine wine. A Champange. A rare whisky.
The really *beep* stuff I dont share. Because then people will ask for it. And I will have to refuse . At the same time its hard not to share.

Tricky situation for me.

I still feel. Its very much possible to make such a good juice that people will not mind zero nic.

In fact I would recomend that by 6pm you stop vaping nic. And you switch to one of my zero nic health juices.
Im going to make a line called Healthy Vaping line. Zero Nic. Only taste.

High PG. Pure PG. Zero Nic. But bursting in taste. Lets see tons of ideas. So little time lol.
Got to go finish the 6 CDIs for Team Carbon. And dispatch it.

[simz]

Lot of samples to review. I tend to prefer juices with a bit of sweetness over all-out tobacco flavours. I'll start with my favourite-
Watermelon from BabaVapes
A new batch, with the natural vg I think. Great, great flavour. Just right for me. And this batch is with nic, a really satisfying amount of it too. I'm getting the kind of throat hit I like, this is easily an all day vape without being overpowering.

Mango from BabaVapes
First vape of it and you know exactly what it is. Ripe alphonso mangoes. I've been rewicking the igo just to get a taste of it after dinner. Ron with some nic this'll be perfect. Flavour wise I could go for a little more mango, cause I'm a greedy *bleep* and want more mangoey goodness. More people definitely need to taste it and weigh in.

There's a few more samples I'd like to vape more of before I can offer a decent opinion- RY4, Marlboro, Ron's wta and of course the pure vg which is almost a stand alone juice in itself.

[chinoy]

Dam Hangseng do make the best Ry4. They invented it.
Only problem is you need to have it at really low PG levels to enjoy it.
Vaping at 80-20 its a superb vape. Flavor is not so hard hitting. And its silky smooth. Thick VG smoke.
And this is even before steeping. Just a fresh mix. Will improve with age for sure.

[mohsihummer]

mango is good. I think it needs more flavor too. Mixed wth honey doo-50/50 , the edge of the smell is gone and it tastes better. Yes, i understand this contradicts my first statement. Both will be diff flavors

[chinoy]

I use a lot of flavor no denying that.

Let me explain why.

Taste is subjective. And I find most flavors to be really too weak to enjoy. When this happens there is jack shit you can do about it. But if the flavor is too strong. Then its more money saved. Just dilute with cheap VG/PG and enjoy more.
I wish all companies did the same. Then I could convert my 10 ML into 20 ML or 15ML and get the flavor just where I want you get the idea.
But flavors is what cost money so nobody does this. They want max profit.
If you factor in shipping on the Hangseng flavors then it works out to about 2-3$ per ML of flavor. Thats a lot.

Right now Im vaping.
Irish Cream from Mount Baker + Irish Cream from TFA 50-50 mix. + (Indian Tobacco. + RY4 + Camell.) Stuff in brackets is all Hangseng flavors. I have to say if you have control over flavor strength, quality of VG/PG and ratio. The Hangseng flavors are the shitz.

I like mixing like this each vape you get a different taste. You can get your mind to pick up on what ever notes you want.

Ps: Dont add Vinegar to your e-juice. It just ruins it. And I imported a full bottle of American Apple Vinegar because somebody said it would work well lol.

Ps2: That mango was very very very strong. I diluted it many times before giving it to you. The problem is steeping. The juices I nearly threw out. Cause they had no flavor. Now have over powering flavor after 2 months.

[simz]

Reviving this thread to put up some reviews a long time in the making.

Apple Pie (US)- Tastiest vape yet to come out of the baba vapes kitchen. I love the creaminess and it has a real dessert flavour to it. I had a sample and I wish I had more, I see myself all day vaping it easily.

Apple Pie (Indian)- To me, I got more of a green apple flavour out of this one. It's less 'pie' and more 'apple'. Again a nice fun vape.

Tobacco Absolute- One of babavapes WTA's, this has a rich smoky taste that goes well with most other juices Ron sells- honey tobacco, RY4, RY4 1920 and if you mix in a lesser amount with mango, it adds a nice edge to it.

Paan- I forget which Paan mix it is, but it's of a September batch and it's nice and minty strong, especially on the exhale. Perfect for after a meal or when you'd just like your mouth to feel fresh. I exclusively drip it; in fact it's best used like you'd eat aftereight chocolates- sparingly and enjoying the taste of every little bit.

Orissa Tobacco- Another WTA, this has a signature taste that reminded me most of a beedi. Not for everyone but for people who like their beedis, this is the next best thing.

Both the WTA's tend to leave a little gunk on coils, depending on how many drops you've added. I've found a drop or two to a full Kayfun lite tank gives me a good vape. I change out my wick every second tank full to make sure I don't get a *slight* burnt taste from the wick burning off the gunk that accumulates.

[chinoy]

Basically there are two extraction process for WTA tobacco.
The one that uses PG gives the best taste but does tend to gunk the coils.
The other gives less taste but does not Gunk the coils. i.e. there is zero gunking.
From now on both will be offered and used. The PG will be offered to guys who know what is what as flavor shots.
The non gunking kind will also be offered and mixed in with flavors.

The Apple Pies. Were made different on purpose. In fact we even have an indian apple pie with more emphasis on pie crust.

The good news is there is huge Stock of USA Apple Pie. Its been mixed in bulk i.e. over 1 KG at a time.
Present batch which is now steeped for 2 months has about 8 bottles left only. Then we go to the new batch which has steeped for 20 days so far. By the time we run out of apple pie the next batch would have covered 1 month of daily processing.

Paan 1 is white in color
Paan 2 is dark brown in color.