Review of various systems.

[chinoy]

My coil only lasted a week. But Im to blame for that. Experimenting with DIY E-Juice. From Gold Flake Kings.
I figure I need to filter the mixture better.

For smokers off 1 pack or more I would recommend 24 MG. To start with. This way you have zero cravings.

Im not too keen on recomending the 650 Mah. Cause there is for sure a change in flavor when using 650 Mah vs say 1000 Mah.
Yes I am pissed off with the ecig india guys. But I still buy some e-juice from them. This is just till my supplies arrive. Then Im going to start selling it at 200-250 per 10ML.
The reason Im pissed off with them
1. I blew 3900/- with them on my first purchase and they did not even give me a 2$ charger.
2. When I reported a problem with my Bat. They refused to even look into it.

If you get the hardware right. And the quality of your ejuice right. Then e-cig is like mainlining Nicotine. Smoking a cig after you taste the real stuff will be a HUGE Disapointment.

If you still have craving with e-cig. It just means your not getting the right dosage or quality of nicotine.

There is a strong chance that you can become a Nicotine Junkie on this stuff. And be bouncing off the walls with a super focused mind. Its a bit like drinking 10 cups of super strong coffee.

Is it cheaper ?. I dont think so.
So far I have blown about 20 Grand. Some of it for the large US order. Some of it for direct import from China.

I dont think its wise to write a review or anything if all you have tried is one tank and a 650 Mah Bat.

So I have stocked up on bat of every size from 650 Mah to 1500 Mah. I have also purchased over 10 Tanks.
So far my best has been the Kangertech T2 Min. And the Kanger Tech T3 Min.
For some reason the Mini tanks get better reviews online also.

I think smoking anything even if its harmless PG /VG is not a good idea. So my view is now. Smoke very little. But get the quality of Nicotine and strength right.
When I get up now all I need is 3 puffs off 36 MG/ML and Im done.
If I smoke 16 MG/ML I have to chain vape for at least 5-10 min to get my nicotine fix.

Guys who play by the FDA rules off only 18 MG/ML are not going to last in business.
Because there are allways going to be guys offering you stronger stuff. In Bangalore the Ecig guys will do door delivery off 36 Mg. Even E-sutta are selling 36MG/ML. They just call it high Nicotine.

If anybody is importing anything. Try and import some flavours for me. Im not happy with the Indian flavours Ive tried so far.

I also keep a zero nicotine DIY Pine Apple Flavor for pulling on when I feel like a smoke but do not want to take in any nicotine.

I think when you first give up smoking. You should stick to the Tabaco Flavors. It fools the mind better.
I have tried the Camel flavor from ecig it was nice. They also have malbaro and even one called Indian Tabaco.

It goes without a doubt that the quality of Nicotine being used in the Indian sold stuff is no where as good as the stuff you get from the USA. Not sure why. I have posted the lab report of the Nicotine Im using.
I regret paying thru my nose for it. But wanted to get the highest quality possible.
You can get if for way way cheaper from these guys

http://www.ecigexpress.com/flavors/natu ... t.html?p=3

We need to use the flavor exchange or swap flavors so that we can find what we like.
I used to like the Apple Pie. when I first got it but Now I feel it tates too much like a medicine.

The only flavors I still like are Indian Tabaco / Camel / Malbaro/ and in the fruit stuff I like water mellon. Spiked with my pure nicotine to make about 36 MG / ML.
The flavor hit is effected by the tank you use. The bat you use and the voltage you use.

Recent studies show that with the Mods and the Genesis type tanks. Temps are going to high that its producing cancer producing chemical's.
So I have opted not to go down that road.
I will buy one Rebuild-able Genesis tank. But only for R&D into my DIY juices because its cheap and easy to rebuild the wicks. Which will gunk up when your doing R&D.

[mohsihummer]

the nic free idea is something i want to do too.. just for the smoke..
I agree on the lack of exp.. But friends whove tried the local ecig say this is 10 times better than that crap.
The difference in experience with voltage is the reason i suggested unregulated mode batt.. this way you know what you want and can get better stuff next time.

[chinoy]

WTF is unregulated bat mod ?.
You have Variable Voltage. And you have Variable wattage
Systems that do variable wattage will also do variable voltage.
20 watts / 6 volts is the max you get right now on most mods.
Cheap variable Volt units will allow you to go up to 4.8 volts max.
Anything under 1000 mah and no matter what voltage you set. It will drop when under load.

[reaper]

i think i found a deal.Mohsi, is this what you ordered?

http://www.esutta.com/e-cigarette-kits/ ... s-kit.html

[chinoy]

Not sure if that is what Moshi got. But not worth it.
Its only 650 Mah and fixed output.

[reaper]

it says joyetech 1000 mah.

[mohsihummer]

i got a custom t2 kit.
http://www.esutta.com/e-cigarette-kits/ ... s-kit.html
i posted the link in my review.
ordered a ego-t upgrade. when they called, i asked them to send me a custom t2 kit instead
custom t2 + hangsen 10ml e-juice + shipping=3050
should cost you 2500 with rdd discount

unregulated is when the output volts are based on batt power. from 4.15 to 3.6. lets you know the difference in vapour without spending for a twist
http://www.joyetech.com/product/details.php?gno=108

[mohsihummer]

Update: the battery doesn't work anymore. Called em up. They said 3 month Warranty. Will send them the unit back along with a letter of grievances. Today received another order. I ordered hangsen energy cow, wicks, coil. Coil is fine. But larger than stock. The e liquid I received was red cola. And the wicks..1/3 or more thinner than what they should be. Plus they aren't high temp. I did exactly 1 dry burn and the wick burnt up and split in two. So its either not silica, or not high temp silica. Completely useless. Used cotton instead. Made first diy coil today. 1.9-2.0 ohms. The battery went kaput after 2 puffs. Didn't even get to enjoy my new coil.
Anyway to tell if its kanthal or not?

[reaper]

Just got my Kanger T3s with ego 1000mah battery.No charger but the did give a USB cable.
Good fit, easy setup.
Loaded the tank with a little over an ml of 16 mg hanseng apple.Draw is good, but nothing fantastic about the vapour.Throat hit is pretty nasty and will take some getting used to.
The important bit?ciggy cravings for the hour disappeared in 3 draws.I sampled joyetech liquid as well, and that is infinitely better than hangseng.Is there any way to reduce the throat hit?

[chinoy]

I got my first order from e-sutta.
The wick is a joke. The wire too thick. And the Pro-Tank glass they show on their site with the orignal kanger box. Is not what I got.
I got a plastic tube with two o-rings and no box.

Over all very disappointed. Im never going to order anything from India ever again.

I did try winding my first coil. Use the old wick from my T2. Did 7 wraps. Did a dry burn.
Then fired up the first Tank T2.
Man I have to say there is something about the T2 tank that just works. No matter what the voltage it gave me a superb hit.
Filled it with the apple juice I have. But then added 4 drops of bush Pineapple. Nice taste.

For your first tank I would recommend the KangerTech T2.

Reaper throat hit on 16 MG should not even exist. Bring the liquids over Id like to sample the Joytech. I know they make quality stuff.

What ever you do. Do not go back to smoking regular cig's. You have to take an oath never again. Or you wont be able to stop. Worst thing in the world is to land up doing both.

[mohsihummer]

Ive also decided on not buying anything indian unless absolutely necessary..
My hands are too big and insensitive for the t2 recoiling. I'll just buy replacement coils for t2 .. I'm now seeing the appeal of Genny and rba attys . much easier to rebuild from the looks of it.

[reaper]

stupid t3s tank stated leaking.cut a small silicone ring and flipped the one on the coil upside down.a little more effort to tighten it, but it works.

[cyanide]

Ready to spend 5k. Any suggestions on stuff that won't break/leak/crack or catch fire? The scene with Indian products and distribution is the usual; overpriced rubbish that won't last a month. No offense, but 3K isn't a small amount to spend on a few drags for something that doesn't even last a full week or so.

[mohsihummer]

yes 3k is not. Id suggest getting stuff imported. us or china. if you are a beginner,like me, you should prolly start with much less. around 2-3k. Most mods(which are high priced) need dedication.
I'd buy either two smoktech aro VV bats or a cheaper 650mah bat and an innotek ivision v3.0- has vv and vw and is cheap for what it offers. a cheap 650mah batt- so you arent fucked when your main one goes bad. Wanna spend more? itaste MVP or vamos v5. MVP can be used as a power bank to charge phones and other stuff. Vamo and other mods need seperate batteries and chargers and maybe a pain..
Tanks/attys/carto's- its a personal choice. but id suggest something from kangertech.. most of their stuff have very good reviews. t2 clone is what i use. Also dont forget replacement coils
with all these stuff, you still spend around 3k but you get twice the stuff that what youd get if you are in india
links
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/1000 ... le-voltage
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/1000 ... oltage-apv
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/1000 ... vv-battery
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/1000 ... tarter-kit
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/1000 ... ge-mod-apv
im no expert and hence you should look at reviews before buying

@reaper- try placing some sterile cotton wick on top of top wick..make sure the gap is tightly packed.

[reaper]

@pranav, sample the fluids if you can.Dekang is iffy, hanseng is just about ok and Joyetech is pretty much where it's at.

[chinoy]

The esutta unit you purchased looks kinda crappy.
I find the 650 Mah bat. to not give as much vapor or flavor as the 1000 Mah bat.
You guys instead of wasting your money buying crappy over priced products in India should just buy from fasttech

I blew 4K with that crappy little slimeball e-cig in bangalore. Because I wanted something good right away while my orders from the US and China came in.
What will happen if you order from fasttech ?. At the most you will need to pay customs duty which is only 14% worst case 30%.

[chinoy]

And I disagree with every recommendation made by Moshi on the bat.
He has either listed total crap. Or stuff that is too costly.

Here are my bat recommendations.
1. Starter Kit. Variable Voltage with Tank with charger 10$ from my freedom smokes
2. Ego Twist 1000 Mah with variable voltage knob 15$ ebay.com
3. Ego Twist 1300 Mah with variable voltage with charger 18$ ebay.

Get your US shipments via borderlink or request a friend to carry it in.
If US is not an option all the stuff I have mentioned is on sale at fasttech also.

[mohsihummer]

@ron
the ebay kits are prolly china fakes. Doesnt say joyetech on any of those links.
That's why i recommended smoktech. Not as well known as joyetech but still reputed.
As for the itatste v3.0 and MVP,
itaste 3.0 is the cheapest vv+vw device i could find. I know that at some voltages arent that accurate.. but most devices with accu outputs cost a lot more
and MVP well.. large power reserve and vv+vw and acts as power bank. Innokin is a well known company - and i think you will agree
care to expand on why they are shit?

[cyanide]

Not sure if you guys are aware. Massdrop regularly has vaping accessories on its group-buys.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy Check here frequently for new deals. Might need to register to see the 18+ section.

Anything on that list which looks promising? Innokin looks like a well-made product, will read reviews.

[chinoy]

Sorry I missed your post.
Based on my Exp. with buying in India. I would say order it from the US or Fasttech. Fasttech give you tracking which you can track your shipment with. It took 3 days to reach from Singapore to Bombay for one pkg and the other came to Madras. Now you can track foregin shipments in India. It will tell you where in India your shipment is and if customs have opened a case or not on it.
Stuff that got shiped to Bombay cleared customs in a day. Stuff that came to madras is still stuck in customs. I have filed a complaint. Borderlinx is always there for US purchases. They just may not do liquids.

Liquid you can always get locally. Im sure there will be tons of places in Bombay selling it. And you will find us all some *beep* deals for sure.

For a tank this is what I would recomend. Two tanks one top coil one bottom coil.

First Tank Reco: Kanger Tech 2T.
Pros: Never known to leak, Good flavor and smoke. Cheap. Even in India its like 600 Bucks.
Cons: None so far.

Second Tank:
I would recommend you go for a genuine KangerTech Tank.
There are many to chose from but I find the smaller the thing I have to put in my mouth the better I feel. So I went with the Pro Tank 2 Mni. And am very happy with it.
Pros: Small size holds just a shade under 2ML which is one days smoke for me. Light, Wont Leak. No gurgling. Easy to rebuild coils.
Price 10$. Ebay or Fasttech

Third Tank:
If you can afford it and just for novelty of having tried a Dual coil. Go for the Pro Tank 3. Or the Kanger Tech T3D. Based on your budget. The T3D is cheaper 7$.

Battery:
Get an Ego Twist Variable Voltage. Anything above 1000 Mah is good. I have a so called Orignal E-Go from e-cig and I have a not so sure from ebay. They both last exactlly the same. And take the same ammount of time to charge. The Ebay one actually holds better voltage by 0.1v than the Orignal. Not a big deal. Price will be under 20$.

This is a good Place to start.
If you can afford it then spend some more money on a better Bat. Dont waste money on the itaste 800-900 Mah with a fancy screen is silly.
You know the one I think is the best 75$. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-Innok ... 1342384199
A little lower on the budget scale would be the Vamo 5.0 http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/1000 ... ge-mod-apv

At all costs avoid buying anything in India.
The link you posted prices seem really high.